نادي نوبات الهلع

ad والله اسمك طويل بس على العموم انا اعرف انها نوبات هلع من يوم ماجتني لان رحت مليون طبيب نفسي شخصي لي وطباعا هي قلق دايم وحالات خوف شديده ومااقدر اروح السوق واخاف اذا رحت كثيررررررر ليل نهار في قلق اذا تحمست بسالفه جتني الحاله لازم اخذ مهدئ تعبت من الادويه والان اخذ موتيفال حبه وحده لاني اكره الادويه ومااستفدت على معظمها المهم اذا انقطع عني الموتيفال اعيش بغرفتي مااقدر اطلع من الخوف والقلق وحتى الادويه المهدءه مااتفيدني ماادري يمكن صار عندي ادمان على الموتيفال ماادري وش قصتي تعببببببببت والله ياليتني مااخذت ولا دوا ولاتعدودت على هالادويه وخايفه اخذ شي ثاني واروح فيها وعلى فكره جربت السايروكسات ومااستفدت كثير يعني مو 100 بالميهبس الموتيفال حسيته افضل بس الدكاتره يقولو عنه مو علاج ماادري وش الحل؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟يارب تهونها

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة السنيدي

ايش فيكم ياشباب مااحد اتصل علي او ارسل لي رساله او اي حاجة شكلكم مستحيين لاتكلموني

على أي أساس يكلمونك الشباب

وش الفايدة ؟؟؟

اذا عندك شيء مفيد اكتبه هنا

الجميع يشارك

يفيد ويستفيد

والله اني مخطي يوم حطيت رقمي في المنتدى....العجله فيها ندامه ....اللي يقول ويش حضرتك تحط رقمك واللي يقول على اساس ايش تحط رقمك....واحد متصل علي يقول انت ماقريت قوانين المنتدى..انا حطيت رقمي لاني ماقدرت اتوصل اليكم اكثر من خلال المنتدى..ودي اتكلم اكثر لكم او اقدم لكم بعض من تجاربي لأني صار لي 18 سنه مع نوبات الهلع...انا ودي الحين احذف رقمي وايميلي بس مش عارف كيف...وسأترك هذا المنتدى للنهاية..اصلاً انا صار لي 18 سنه عايش بدون منتديات ولله الحمد

اخوي السنيدي .....
ولا يهمك شي .....
كل انسان له افكاره وقناعاته ومبادءه ....
انا متاكد تماما انك حطيت الجوال والايميل بحسن نية وعندك مبرراتك المنطقية الصادقة
ولا تبغى تجرح شعور احد ...
ولكنك هوجمت بغض النظر عن شعورك اللي جرح
خليك في المنتدى
وال 18 كفاية تماما في الهلع ...
فيه فكرة عندك وراء الهلع لو توصلها تقتله على طول لا يهمك

اختي سهرانة ....
موتيفال........ ممكن تكتبي الاسم اللي تحت موتيفال
واذا ممكن كم مدة المشكلة وكم العمر ومن ايه دولة انتي ولو نبذه صغيرة عن المشكلة ....
وبعدين خير ان شاء الله

اخي السنيدي

التواصل يتم مع الأعضاء هنا عن طريق المنتدى ، لا اتصالات ولا إيميلات ...

اتمنى لك الصحه والسلامه

كن هادئا

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته :
اختي سهرانه ان شاء الله ما اكون تأخرت عليك بالرد ولكن نظرا لظروف ابني محمد الصحيه هالاسبوع الله يشفيه وبالنسبه عن الدكتور اللي تسألين عليه اسمه حسن بمستوصف الشريف بالرياض بحي الملك فهد انتي دقي على الاستعلامات واطلبي الرقم وكلميه على التلفون واشرحي له كل شي وان شاء الله يفيدك بس ابقولك شي الدواء اللي يصلح لك يمكن مايصلح لغيرك ونسبة الشفاء تختلف من فرد لاخر والحمد لله على كل حال واي استفسار انا جاهزه

السلام عليكم جميعا


اخواني انا اعاني من نوبات هلع شديده وحين حدوثهاا تستمر مع لا اكثر من ثلاث ساعات

ويرتفع ضغط الدم لدي واذهب الى المستشفى واخذ ابره لا اخفاض الضغط

ذهبت لطبيب نفسي ووصف للي دواء سيروكسات حبه صباحا وبوسبار ثلاث مرات باليوم بمقدار نصف حبه


ارجو ان تنصحوني هل الدواء نافع واتمنى ان الاخ مقاتل الصحراء يقراا موضوعي ويفيدني عن فاعلية سيروكسات ومدة مفعول علمه بان النوبه اصابتني بعد 20 يوم من استعمال الدواء وشكرا

السلام عليكم ورحمه الله تعالى وبركاته ،،


انا جديد هنا وحبيت استفيد من تجاربكم ونفس الحاله الى عندكم عندي الله يشفينا جميع واتمنا استفيد منكم .


بالنسبة لك يا اختي " سهرانة وعذابي " الله يشفينا جميع . بس ما ادري كيف انصحك وما اقدر اقول الا لو لقيتي العلاج هناك ياليت تبلغينا مباشرة . بس انا يا اختي ما اعتقد ان عندهم علاج لنا هناك . لان الاطباء في العالم كلهم بالانترنت والدورات والسفرات يعرفون كل صغيرة وكبيرة . المساله ان المانيا متطورة في الاجهزة الحديثه وما اعتقد ان خوفنا يحتاج لعمليات جراحية . عموما على حسب ماديتك لو كنتي مقتدرة تسافرين سافري واعطينا التقرير من هناك لاتنسيا :)

الله يعطيك العافيه لولي ويشفي ابنك عاجلا غير اجل يارب بس ماادري هذا الدكتور استشاري ولا اخصائي؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟لاني رحت انا عند واحد بالشربف ماذكر اسمه اظن اسعد بس اخلاقه شينه ويعصب؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟ويطفش
الله لايحيجنا الا لوجه رب العالمين حتى الدكاتره صاروا يستكثرو المعلومه لازم دفع مقدم ولا ظف وجهك:(

هلا اخوي لاتزعل انا اضفتك عندي بالمسنجر بس مااشوفك ودي اني استفيد منك ولاتكبر المساله مافي شي يستاهل

لاتنقزروني مطب يخونا ردوو علياا

اختي سهرانه الدكتور اخصائي لكن مره نفسه زينه ماشاء الله بس لما تروحين عنده تحسين انك طبتي من كلامه الزين الله يوفقه ويجزاه عني الف خير ومو شرط ان الاستشاري يكون دايما افضل من الاخصائي على حسب انتي توكلي على الله وروحي وترى الكشفيه ب150 للمعلوميه وكل زياره كذا بس الزيارات كل شهرين تقريبا وماتغلى علينا هالميه وخمسين هههههههه والله يوفقك ان شاء الله وشكرا

أهلين اخواني واخواتي .
مثل ما قلت لكم انا عضو جديد واصبت بالحاله قبل شهرين فقط وما راح اعلق او اشرح لكم اعتقد كلنا فينا الى يكفينا بس تقريبا استفدت من الصفحه 1 من اول ماكتبت نادرة جدا لحد الصفحه 135 يعني كتاب كامل . بس تقريبا نفس الاعراض والهواجس . الحمد لله على كل حال . بس لقيت موضوع شيق من موقع panicend.com . عن تجربة لشخص تخلص من هذا كله . وياليت احد منكم يترجمة

How bad are they? Do you feel like your mind is out of control? Do you feeling like running and hiding from yourself? Are you afraid that you are going insane?

Well, I've BEEN THERE!!! Now I am NOT THERE and I want to share with you how I did it. I'm not selling anything. I have had to relate my experiences SO MANY TIMES to friends and others needing help that I decided to put it out for everyone to read RIGHT HERE on this web site.

This is an effective method for compley eliminating panic attacks. You may not like it or fully comprehend it (especially in the first reading). Nevertheless, I think that it will help you understand more about what is going on inside your head. I know this because it was inside MY head for so long. Understanding helps you get control.


"Without fear of them they cannot exist"
These simple, rational words have so much truth to them! Your panic attacks are YOU being afraid of the way YOU feel. They represent the conflict of YOU being afraid of YOU! IF you didn't FEAR the "way" you feel, then you would have no more panic attacks. This is the answer in a nutshell (no pun, honest)!

*** First of all I want to acknowledge that I studied the writings of Dr.Claire Weekes (Click) (Australian physician and writer) for many years. She proposed a very rational method for conquering nervous stress, panic and agoraphobia. (DISCLAIMER: I am a biological scientist. I am NOT a psychologist - although my sister is - nor trained in psychology. Therefore, I can make no claims or guarantees. These are my experiences that I relate to you on this web site and through them perhaps you will get some understanding of your own situation and help in dealing with your panic feelings. The information contained in this site is not intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider prior to starting any new treatment or with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition. Nothing contained in the site is intended to be a substitute for medical diagnosis or treatment.)

OK? Ready?

In quick overview, to end a panic attack - an overwhelming feeling of fear - you have to pass through the wall of apprehension to the other side of your fear (no, this isn't some weird faith healing or new age crap). This works! I wish I could take you there by the hand myself but YOU have to do it. The trust in it working is something that goes against all aspects of our sense of survival and takes some time to really believe in. Yet IF you are experiencing a fear/panic attack I found the only way to beat it is to try to let the feeling be as worse as it wants to be. Let it be as bad as you can make it. And, because it truly IS a self-created fear, once you have made the desire to travel to the "OTHER side" of fear by letting it do its positively worse to you then ...there is NOTHING...nothing there. No fear. The other side is NO fear at all but a big smile. The moment of realization is a wonderful experience. It was THEN that I, myself, began to realize that these "out of control" feelings were finished!

Stress is the major instigator for panic feelings. Perhaps you had realized a certain level of stress that had exceeded your ability to release it. I say, "had" because probably the event that triggered these panic attacks is over with. There are many relaxation methods for lowering stress and all of them are beneficial. Understanding your stress and learning to manage it will always help you throughout your life. However, the panic attacks were probably the culmination of that initial stress event. I don't care WHAT or HOW you arrived at these feelings - you have them and you don't like them and you want to get rid of them! Right now it's not important that your mother was mean or your father ignored you or if you are a perfectionist, or obsessive, etc. I am not trivializing your situation. Panic attacks feed off of themselves. They are a common disorder that can trouble even the most inligent or the strongest person. They are an entire entity all in themselves. These feelings seem so powerful and they scare you. But your mind is NOT going bananas, being lost or slipping away into insanity despite your fear or your past. You are only doing what seems natural...fighting them in trying to get control over them. But you are trying to STOP FEAR! Fear is not under your conscious control. It is controlled instinctively in reaction to WHAT YOU BELIEVE! And right now you believe that you are THREATENED! Instead, you are going to accept it and let it become you and, thereby, stop the overreaction. Read on!

Probably you have suspected a myriad of potential illnesses and feared some significant health problem that your physician has not found or explained away as "nerves" or some other reference to your nervous system. If not, please visit your doctor and remove these questions! He/she may even prescribe anti-anxiety drugs that may help you to deal with your panic feelings if you need immediate results. Some medical professionals like to describe panic as a chemical imbalance that might respond favorably to medication. I tried several of them. I preferred to not use them because I didn't like the side-affects and stipulations for use. But for some sufferers medication is very helpful. However, in the absence of a real medical problem, you are, at present, afraid of the panic attacks themselves or simply put, AFRAID OF BEING AFRAID!

I have to be blunt! There is no THING causing this (unless there is a specifically identified illness, situation or event like a wild animal attacking you). It's not a place or situation or thought...not that couch or that car or that room or that strange feeling in your eyes, stomach, head, arms, or that crowded place! Not a brain tumor, not cancer of anything, no breakdown of any nerves! Only you! To think otherwise..to think that a certain room or situation CAUSES you to have the attacks...is false. Sure, I understand that when you are in a place or situation where you have felt these attacks before that you are aware of being there and fear THAT place or situation. BUT IT'S YOUR NERVOUS SYSTEM being on a high state of alert. You must understand that it's coming from you! You also are exaggerating those strange feelings that you are having in your body into MAJOR significance. You are boxing in your life more and more by HIDING from these! It's NOT these places or situations or feelings, and I know that's hard to accept. But this is where you change your attitude from HIDING to "giving up"! From superstition to a rational approach!

Once you apply the attitude, "I will let this feeling of fear be as worse as it wants to be, I don't care anymore", and let it happen, let yourself go towards it and begin to believe it (the prime objective), then the truth starts to comes out. You become a little less afraid. IT TAKES PRACTICE. (Research in treatment of obsessive-compulsive disorder has demonstrated that persistent practice of skills such as these can result in measurable changes in brain function without medication.) As you begin to "pooh-pooh" these fear feelings and establish the attitude of non-caring more and more you get closer to the rationale about them. Eventually you will be ready for the time when you truly try to make it worse while having a panic attack - and THAT is a key moment!

In order for you to take that step - the step of willingly wanting to have MORE panic and experience all of it at it's worst - you have to finally trust that the fear is false and be sick and tired of these same attacks and the same feelings you recognize all too often. You might be afraid at this moment but you will be determined to follow your fear to the panic "source" and everything bad that you are afraid of and never come back! I could describe in detail what you probably imagine that to be :-). Like me you will have made it 100 times worse than it really is. It SEEMS horrible and terrifying but it isn't at all. What happens next surprises you! The whole panic house of cards collapses because you compley went to your fears without a doubt. The fears were nothing but the apprehension of them and that was the reason for your panic. The panic attacks are revealed as nothing more than a vicious cycle, a circular thought process, an ENDLESS LOOP! They were made from 100% apprehension and nothing else - NADA ...NO thing! The panic suddenly ceases and you feel an immediate calm. Now you realize that you could do this every time. There is no "unknown" anymore. The inner conflict of BEING AFRAID OF YOURSELF is over with. You have passed through the apprehension to the fear source and found nothing. This inner conflict, I think, is the reason why panic attacks remain inside us for so long. Your nervous system really doesn't like such a conflict.
Want proof? If you force the panic to come, make it come...really, really beg for it to come...you CANNOT make it come! Try it! Right now try concentrating on MAKING yourself have a panic attack.
It's NOT POSSIBLE! See how that works? When you WANT to have a panic attack, you can't, and when you are afraid of having one...you get them. This is the proof that panic attacks are only apprehension.
And that is the way to resolve them.
I dealt with panic feelings on and off for 15 years and finally I realized that they never got worse - just built up and up to the same point. This was a point of fear that I SO dreaded experiencing that I would do most ANYTHING to make them go away and many times avoid the places that seemed to induce them. But after 15 years - the same feelings! I had always wondered what was passed this, beyond this feeling of fear? But I wouldn't go there. Or later on I would say, "I accept it" - but I really didn't. I was still doubting while "practicing" non-caring.
Being on this other side from fear gives you the strength that comes from understanding. An understanding that you want to LOSE this fight. THIS IS IMPORTANT: You cannot CONSCIOUSLY make a panic attack WORSE by yourself. It IS as worse as it gets. That's why when I say, "Go with it, have the worst attack possible", there isn't anything that can happen! You have already experienced the worst many times over, yet you want to run away from it each time, wanting it to go away by thinking, "please, please go away...I am losing my mind, losing control, I'm going to die (or whatever)." The intensity of the fear is fooling you! You have to turn the table and "approach" it with as much belief as you can muster in that moment of fear and panic (only takes a tiny bit). Let it come all over you and do whatever it wants to AND (when you feel ready) TRY TO MAKE THE FEAR WORSE!!!! It's not possible.
One comment I always remember about being anxious/panicky is that you are 180 degrees away from losing your mind (i.e."crazy"). Crazy people usually have no clue they are crazy and are certainly not hyper-focused on controlling their feelings. Many attacks begin with worry about a feeling or sensation such as an increased heartbeat, tightened muscles, blurred vision, dizziness, headache or stomach upset. This feeling begins to remind you of past experiences. More anxiety ensues. Then the catastrophic thoughts about something being significantly WRONG with you take over. You, as an anxiety ridden, fearful, and perhaps perfectionist, are too much in control, TOO MINDFUL, convinced that THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU! NO there isn't! Everything you are feeling has a physical explanation or reason due to your nervous system being on "alert". You exaggerate your feelings by thinking that what is happening to you MUST be significant and you are ONLY FALLING DEEPER INTO INSANITY! Sensations of "unreality" may appear because your neurotransmitters are taxed from your constant worrying. But you expand on that sensation as even more proof that you are "losing it" quickly. Do you see the cycle here?
You are on the opposite side of insanity. You are TOO sane and seeking too much control in your moment of elevated tension and stress. (Cognitive Behavior Therapy teaches you to recognize this "catastrophisizing" of your feelings and substitute them with rational statements such as "It's only a temporary uneasiness or sensation that will pass soon.") Think of your panic attack as an emotional release because that's really what it is! But it's different than ing, for example, because you are also maintaining this emotional threshold by continuously being afraid of it.
So finally just GIVING UP and letting the panic attack come on and eventually challenging it and trying to make it worse...breaks the cycle and brings you back to the center, where fear is manageable. By giving up control you get control. Funny how that works. Because at the moment of understanding the simple truth about your fear...comes control. My years of phobia disappeared forever in less than a minute after compley and unequivocally giving up and challenging the panic feelings to become worse. It worked! I know it can never return to me, because I have won by letting myself lose the battle (which, in reality, was winning). I am compley free of these feelings for over 5 years now. In fact, I actually WANT them to come back to prove again and again that I know the answer. But, alas, they don't, they can't ...because I don't fear them and "fear" in the form of apprehension was their basis. Without fear they don't exist.
You should understand and believe that your mind and body are solid and stable like a rock. When you "think" you will die or "lose it" from your anxious thoughts, all your body is doing is WAITING for you to quit the fight within so it can return to normal. That is the natural process inside you. Your body (which your mind is a part of) wants to return to a normal, unconflicted, lower tension state if you will let it! SO let yourself lose!!! Stop fighting the panic attacks and be willing to "die" from them if that is what you fear!!! Go ahead! You won't die. You have nothing to lose but fear itself (sorry, FDR)! But that is the attitude you must cultivate - to give up the fight and be willing to give it all up and go to wherever your feelings lead you and follow that lead to wherever it wants to go. Because then you will truly see that there is NO fight to be won or lost. Just a return to normality. Looking back now it seems so simple. I hope you can do this too! Every time you feel anxious and afraid of the unknown...you will know to let it go wherever it wants and abandon yourself to it. And that is how to eventually end it, and to "control" it.
As a side note: I have also noticed in others and myself that the stomach is certainly a major reactor and a sometimes accelerator of your feelings. There isn't necessarily an ulcer involved but likely an irritable lining of the stomach from so many acid baths in reaction to the fear response and/or locking up of the digestive tract in general (small and large colon)...this from being on "alert" so long from general anxiety. People with anxiety are more than three times more likely to suffer nausea than other people, according to a report in the March/April 2002 issue of the journal General Hospital Psychiatry. If you feel that your gastrointestinal system might be overreacting (nausea, blah feeling, spasms, cramps, stomach pain, tickling) to your anxious feelings then I would recommend you check with a physician. A relaxed gastrointestinal system can do wonders for your mental attitude! If a dose of "pink" liquid gives you an immediate relief, then that is probably a good indicator.